What is a holocaust? Not 56 million dead, according to NM Holocaust Museum. . . [Video Transcript of Request for Panel Memorializing Abortion Dead ]
/So...what exactly is a holocaust?
Following is the transcript of Survivors Outreach Director, Kristina Garza's, encounter with NM Holocaust and Intolerance Museum docents when she requests an equal standing in the museum for the 56 million children killed by America's Holocaust: abortion.
This exchange starkly exposes the Culture of Death -- the very culture which creates the darkness necessary for genocide and wholesale slaughter of precious human beings.
We are survivors of that holocaust. Kristina made a stand to end that genocide when she approached the museum in the #ABQ Do You Know? Do You Care? Campaign August 2-10. [ For more coverage of Survivors in New Mexico, check out the blog, and ABQ Journal ( ]
Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust
New Mexico Holocaust and Intolerance Museum
8 Aug 2013
Persons present: Kristina Garza
Len Beckman (on camera)
Female Docent 1 [D1]
Female Docent 2 (Lynn) [D4]
Male Docent (Harry)[D2]
Reporter, male, Santa Fe Reporter
Another Male Docent (Jonnon)[D3]
Misc. Survivors, youth, boys and girls
[ Inside museum. Survivors, teenage, are near looking at exhibits and taking pictures. Kristina has approached a docent ]
Kristina (KG): We would love to offer our help, be involved in the effort in the museum.
Female Docent (D1): You are welcome to look around, but we do not address current issues...
KG: Oh
D1: Whatever your current issues are, we don't address them. You may simply look at the museum.
KG: We are wondering, so you do not add any current genocides?
D1: No.
KG: So you only add displays about genocides that you pick.
Docent 2 (D2): Don't take pictures, don’t take pictures!
D1: Don't take pictures.
D2: You, sir, [gesturing at a Survivor] I want you out of here now. I want you out of here. You don't listen. We have rules here.
[One of the youth leaves.]
[ KG continues filming ]
D2: Ma'am, please put the camera down.
KG: So you said..., are you open to a current genocides?
D1: No.
KG: How do you explain that.
D1: It's because we don't address current political issues because it doesn't fit with our mission.
KG: So what current political issue are we talking about? We are not talking about a political issue we are talking about genocide.
D2: You are talking about genocide through abortion.
KG: What is wrong with...?
D2: No, we are not dealing with that, ma'am.
KG: You are not open to...
D2: [emphatic] No.
KG: [continues]...to eliminating the greatest genocide in history?
D2: No , now you are characterizing it. You said greatest.
KG: It is.
D2: That’s your opinion, that's your opinion. We have no opinion. [...]We are not going to address that issue
KG: We come to you as survivors of a holocaust--
D1: So everyone who is alive is a survivor-
KG: Everybody who is alive is a survivor
D1: Everybody who is alive..
KG: ...everyone who is alive is a survivor of the American [Abortion] Holocaust
KG: So... Are you saying you would deny [...]are you saying you will not give us a place in history [ by allowing a panel memorialising 56 million dead since 1973]. You will not represent us.
D1: Yes.
KG: Isn't that a little intolerant of you?
D1: Yes, uh--
D2: Please, please--please, I do not want to be quoted.
KG: But you are the New Mexico Museum of Intolerance
D1: [back-pedaling] I am a docent here, to help people understand the true meaning of genocide...
KG: What is the meaning of genocide?
D2: No, no, we are not going to get into a debate, young lady. [...so] You are free to look around whatever you like and please do so.
KG: [ nodding ]
D2: We are not going to debate your issue or our issue. That's it. We are not going to debate it.
KG: I know. Who is in charge about what displays displays are included?
D1: We are.
D2:We have a board.
D1: Well, we are docents.
D2: [repeats] We have a board.
KG: [nods] Oh. Ok.
KG: Ok who is on the board?
D2: I don't have that information.
KG: Do you know who the president of the board is?
Male Docent (first name Jonnon) (D3): You can contact the--. There's a brochure over there.
KG: So we can contact the board.
D2: You can contact anyone you wish.
KG: So who, ultimately, decides which genocide is incl--
D2: The board members, the board.
KG: So you are saying, as boardmembers, you would not pick the greatest genocide [in history to date, abortion]
D2: No we are saying, no-- we are not the boardmembers.
KG: But you said you decide what displays go up.
D2: The board decides that.
KG: So, the board, not the docents.
KG: [cont] So we can contact the board and petition the board to put up a display of the greatest genocide.
D1: No.
D2: No, see, you are categorizing it... Miss..?
D1: You can ask the board to put up your genocide, not the greatest genocide. That's a value judgment.
KG: We're talking numbers here [so not value], we are talking numbers--
D2: No we are not talking numbers.
KG: We are talking value?
D2: We don't want to argue your issue, we don’t want … I don't want to continue this conversation.
KG: Neither do we--we--
D2: I don't want to continue--
KG: What we want-- We want to expose--
D2: --we are not involved in that.
KG: Then why have you chosen to be docents here?
D2: As a volunteer--
KG: well...
D2: No, no don't examine me. I am here as a volunteer and I don't have to answer to you--
KG: [...]aren’t you here--don't you want to expose racism?--
D2: Do you want to watch, see the museum? because this conversation is over.
KG: Do you not believe this museum should represent all peoples fairly?
D2: I'm not here to be questioned by you. It's not a human rights --. If you don't stop asking questions I will ask to have you removed.
KG: Can I speak to someone who is representative of the museum?
D2: Sure, somebody on the board.
KG: [turning to second female docent, D4] you are...?
D4: Lynn.
KG: We would love to have a display for a current genocide here in the United States, have an effort--
D4: ...a current genocide here in the US?
KG: Yes, we notice you have a display about the slaves and the Indians and we would love to have a display about the current genocide.
D2: I already answered that, that the board makes the decision.
KG: Are you on the board?
D4: I am not on the board, but I can take it to the board. . . . but at this time we don't have room for another exhibit . . .we have limited space
KG: But in light of the number of people who have been killed by this genocide--
D2: She's been arguing all day long about her genocide.
KG: But in light of the number would not the museum make space?
D4: Do you know the definition of genocide?
KG: Yes, it's right here in your pamphlet.
D2: --Lynn--
KG: It's right here in your pamphlet, the systematic [targeting of undesirables by] govern... and your mission, your objectives...
D4: ...the government...
KG: Like someone who's been raped, like they are handicapped, like diagnosed with Down syndrome before they are born, or targeted because of their poverty level...[ sweeps hand toward youth] ...or targeted due to their age since they were born after 1973 and possibly it would be cheaper not to have to support them. ... possibly cheaper if we kill them. We were wondering if the museum would honor that over 56 million children have been killed since 1973 by adding information about the American genocide.
D4: No.
KG: May I ask why not?
D4: Because we are an historical educational institution.
KG: And this is not history in the making?
D4: ...But we don't get involved It's a hot button--
KG: So was the Holocaust. So was the Jewish Holocaust.
D4: It’s history, it's history--
KG: Oh, so you only talk about it if it is in the past.
D4: Pretty much.
KG: So you honor the dead only when it's too late to stop the genocide.
D4: Yes.
D2: [waving] Please don't take pictures!
D4: [turns to D2 ]
D2: Please--
Reporter: I am a reporter with the Santa Fe Reporter
D2: Ok
D4: Do you have a card?
Rep: Yes yes.
D4: Ok
KG: Is there anyone else I can speak to who is representative of the museum, who decides what displays go up?
D2: We told you that...
KG: Ok I...
D2: The board, you have the information about how to contact the board.
KG: So we will contact the board right now, so how can we contact the board?
D4: You can do it through the mail.
KG: Umm, is there a faster way of contacting them?
D4: No, they only meet once a month.
KG: So we can begin now, we have a couple of volunteers here-- (turns) so who would like to contact the board?
D4: I don't know how you will reach them, you will reach me and I will take it to the board.
KG: Oh ok, so you are saying you are going to decide if our message gets to the board..
D4: No I will take it to the board.
KG: So you are saying there is no way to contact the board?
[someone says website]
D4: Go to the website...
KG: So we will go to the website and since there is no display in here we are going to set one up outside.
D4: Do you have a permit to do this?
KG: Yes.
D4: You do?
KG: Yes, the Constitution.
D4: You can show--.
KG: Sure, we can pull up a copy of the Constitution.
D2: No, do you have a local permit from the local municipality.
KG: Yes, a federal permit.
D2: No, from the city of Albuquerque-- Ma'am you are now on private property, if you want to put it on public property--
KG: Sure, we will put it on public property. [turning to Survivors] So are we ready to set up our display on public property?
D4: --Th-thank you for coming in.
[end video footage ]
